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[ANN] Haskell.Org Discourse Instance

Jasper Van der Jeugt-2
Hello all,

We would like to announce a new discourse-based forum for the Haskell
community, at:

    https://discourse.haskell.org/

This is inspired by the Rust, Nix and Elm discourse instances, where
these forums have had a strong positive effect on the community. We will
run this as a "beta" for 6 months and then evaluate its usefulness. It
is meant as an extra alternative to Haskell-cafe, reddit and Haskell
IRC, but it does not replace any of those.

Discourse is completely open source and easily accessible using an email
client. We would like to thank the Haskell.Org admin team for
provisioning a server and Matthew Pickering for suggesting this and
doing the hard work setting up the instance.

Warm regards,
Jasper Van der Jeugt
on behalf of the Haskell.Org Committee
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Re: [ANN] Haskell.Org Discourse Instance

Bryan Richter-2
[I drafted this when the announcement was made. Activity on Discourse has been growing slowly, so I thought I'd go ahead and post it now.]

I think this is great. I've been part of a few of the mentioned communities that transitioned to Discourse, and a few others as well. The most positive change has been the increase in community participation.

As someone initially more comfortable with Mailman mailing lists, I empathize with people who have strong email workflows. Moving to Discourse isn't painless. (There is a "mailing list mode", which helps some, but not entirely.) A web UI has some downsides compared to text, for those so inclined.

But there are upsides as well. Threads are more isolated from each other, and are effectively dynamically-created mini-mailing lists. You can edit your posts, removing typos or clarifying points.[1] Worrying about top posting becomes obsolete. (I recognize the irony here, but I am on mobile, so....)

But like I said, the biggest upside is improved community participation. As an anecdote, I know people who cared deeply about a particular project, but never felt comfortable enough with the mailing list interface to chime in. Forums, for whatever combination of reasons, are more approachable. (I even feel this myself, which is perhaps why the anecdote resonates with me.) Plus, Discourse provides richer means of communication through reactions, and it is better equipped to facilitate moderation and disputes.[2] 

I'm not sure what prompted me to write this fawning email, except that I wrote a very similar one when Nix started their trial, and now they've switched away from their mailing list completely and everything seems to be going quite well. I encourage people to give Discourse a go!

P.s. Discourse would never replace all means of communication, but it could potentially replace all discussion-based mailing lists.

[1]: The ability to edit posts can also be abused, but in practice this rarely happens.

[2]: Moderation can also be abused, but its absence is more frequently the problem!

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 15.27 Jasper Van der Jeugt, <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello all,

We would like to announce a new discourse-based forum for the Haskell
community, at:

    https://discourse.haskell.org/

This is inspired by the Rust, Nix and Elm discourse instances, where
these forums have had a strong positive effect on the community. We will
run this as a "beta" for 6 months and then evaluate its usefulness. It
is meant as an extra alternative to Haskell-cafe, reddit and Haskell
IRC, but it does not replace any of those.

Discourse is completely open source and easily accessible using an email
client. We would like to thank the Haskell.Org admin team for
provisioning a server and Matthew Pickering for suggesting this and
doing the hard work setting up the instance.

Warm regards,
Jasper Van der Jeugt
on behalf of the Haskell.Org Committee
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Re: [ANN] Haskell.Org Discourse Instance

Mario Lang
Bryan Richter <[hidden email]> writes:

> As someone initially more comfortable with Mailman mailing lists, I
> empathize with people who have strong email workflows. Moving to Discourse
> isn't painless. (There is a "mailing list mode", which helps some, but not
> entirely.) A web UI has some downsides compared to text, for those so
> inclined.

In particular, web UIs are everything else but accessibility friendly.
Every project that moves away from mailing lists and IRC effectively
maks it pretty hard for people which rely on accessibility to
participate.

I am not expecting this to hold anyone back from moving into the shining
new era of client-less communication.  Just wanted to point out that
people like me are going to be left behind.

--
CYa,
  ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕
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Re: [ANN] Haskell.Org Discourse Instance

Michael Peyton Jones-2
For what it's worth, I find the Discourse mailing-list mode to be perfectly adequate. Give it a shot!

It does send you HTML messages, but the body of the message is usually pretty much in cleartext.

M

On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 9:51 AM Mario Lang <[hidden email]> wrote:
Bryan Richter <[hidden email]> writes:

> As someone initially more comfortable with Mailman mailing lists, I
> empathize with people who have strong email workflows. Moving to Discourse
> isn't painless. (There is a "mailing list mode", which helps some, but not
> entirely.) A web UI has some downsides compared to text, for those so
> inclined.

In particular, web UIs are everything else but accessibility friendly.
Every project that moves away from mailing lists and IRC effectively
maks it pretty hard for people which rely on accessibility to
participate.

I am not expecting this to hold anyone back from moving into the shining
new era of client-less communication.  Just wanted to point out that
people like me are going to be left behind.

--
CYa,
  ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕
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