Can I use Haskell for web programming
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Can I use Haskell to do what people do with, say, PHP? More and more I have the need for that, and I've been looking into Ruby on Rails. Do you thing Haskell could be a choice? Of course, I don't need something exactly like PHP (for instance, I don't care if I can't insert code in the middle of xhtml pages. If I have to generate everything from Haskell code, I would probably like it. Also, CGI can be a choice). But I need reasonable efficiency and to be able to find someone to host my site. What solutions do you suggest me? Thanks, Maurício _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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On 1/21/06, Maurício <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi, > > Can I use Haskell to do what people do with, say, PHP? More and more > I have the need for that, and I've been looking into Ruby on Rails. Do > you thing Haskell could be a choice? Of course, I don't need something > exactly like PHP (for instance, I don't care if I can't insert code in > the middle of xhtml pages. If I have to generate everything from Haskell > code, I would probably like it. Also, CGI can be a choice). But I need > reasonable efficiency and to be able to find someone to host my site. > What solutions do you suggest me? > Take a look at WASH and HSP... http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~thiemann/WASH/ http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~d00nibro/hsp/ -- Sebastian Sylvan +46(0)736-818655 UIN: 44640862 _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Hi,
> Can I use Haskell to do what people do with, say, PHP? I wrote Hoogle (http://haskell.org/hoogle) using Haskell, without using any libraries - just directly as a console program. It's open source so you can download it and see how its done, if you want. Of course the web handling bit is more low level than WASH and HSP. Thanks Neil On 21/01/06, Maurício <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi, > and more > I have the need for that, and I've been looking into Ruby on Rails. Do > you thing Haskell could be a choice? Of course, I don't need something > exactly like PHP (for instance, I don't care if I can't insert code in > the middle of xhtml pages. If I have to generate everything from Haskell > code, I would probably like it. Also, CGI can be a choice). But I need > reasonable efficiency and to be able to find someone to host my site. > What solutions do you suggest me? > > Thanks, > Maurício > > _______________________________________________ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > [hidden email] > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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They both look cool. Do you think I'll be able to find someone to
host professional sites using those libraries? [....], Maurício Sebastian Sylvan wrote: > On 1/21/06, Maurício <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Can I use Haskell to do what people do with, say, PHP? More and more >>I have the need for that, and I've been looking into Ruby on Rails. Do >>you thing Haskell could be a choice? Of course, I don't need something >>exactly like PHP (for instance, I don't care if I can't insert code in >>the middle of xhtml pages. If I have to generate everything from Haskell >>code, I would probably like it. Also, CGI can be a choice). But I need >>reasonable efficiency and to be able to find someone to host my site. >> What solutions do you suggest me? >> > > > Take a look at WASH and HSP... > > http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~thiemann/WASH/ > http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~d00nibro/hsp/ > > -- > Sebastian Sylvan > +46(0)736-818655 > UIN: 44640862 _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Interesting. It's hosted on Haskell site. Do you think I would be
able to do what you have done in a professional hosting service computer? Best, Maurício Neil Mitchell wrote: > Hi, > > >> Can I use Haskell to do what people do with, say, PHP? > > > I wrote Hoogle (http://haskell.org/hoogle) using Haskell, without > using any libraries - just directly as a console program. It's open > source so you can download it and see how its done, if you want. Of > course the web handling bit is more low level than WASH and HSP. > > Thanks > > Neil > > On 21/01/06, Maurício <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> > > and more > >>I have the need for that, and I've been looking into Ruby on Rails. Do >>you thing Haskell could be a choice? Of course, I don't need something >>exactly like PHP (for instance, I don't care if I can't insert code in >>the middle of xhtml pages. If I have to generate everything from Haskell >>code, I would probably like it. Also, CGI can be a choice). But I need >>reasonable efficiency and to be able to find someone to host my site. >> What solutions do you suggest me? >> >> Thanks, >> Maurício >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Haskell-Cafe mailing list >>[hidden email] >>http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe >> _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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On Jan 21, 2006, at 8:34 PM, Maurício wrote: > They both look cool. Do you think I'll be able to find someone to > host professional sites using those libraries? > > [....], > Maurício Try http://contextshift.co.uk/vps.html ... or I guess any other virtual server hosts, but they're cheep and good. Bob _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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> Interesting. It's hosted on Haskell site. Do you think I would be
> able to do what you have done in a professional hosting service computer? If you don't need dynamic web pages, you could develop the pages on your own machine, generate HTML, etc. and then upload those to the server of your choice. It may also be possible to deploy just the compiled binaries (for the appropriate platform, i.e. BSD, Linux, whatever the host uses) if you need CGI functionality and the hosting service gives you the OK. I just run Ubuntu Linux (so I can put whatever packages I need on there) on a machine connected to a DSL modem and use dynamic DNS to keep the name pointed at my computer, but I don't have high bandwidth needs. I'm finding Haskell to be a really nice language for generating webpages, much better than doing things by hand or even using Python, for example. Jared. -- http://www.updike.org/~jared/ reverse ")-:" _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Neil Mitchell wrote:
> Hi, > > >> Can I use Haskell to do what people do with, say, PHP? > > > I wrote Hoogle (http://haskell.org/hoogle) using Haskell, without > using any libraries - just directly as a console program. It's open > source so you can download it and see how its done, if you want. Of > course the web handling bit is more low level than WASH and HSP. Warning: Shameless plugs follow If you want to be somewhere in between the high-level WASH/HSP and the low-level implement-it-all-yourself approach, you may want to have a look at the following libraries. The cgi package allows you to write CGI programs without caring about low-level communication with the webserver and stuff like how form data is encoded: http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~bringert/darcs/haskell-cgi/ There is also a FastCGI wrapper you can use to get better performance from your CGI programs (written using the above library): http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~bringert/darcs/haskell-fastcgi/ With the xhtml package you can create XHTML documents using simple Haskell functions: http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~bringert/darcs/haskell-xhtml/ It is a very simple adaptation of Andy Gill's Text.Html module. The URLs above all point to darcs repos for the libraries. /Björn > On 21/01/06, Maurício <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> > > and more > >>I have the need for that, and I've been looking into Ruby on Rails. Do >>you thing Haskell could be a choice? Of course, I don't need something >>exactly like PHP (for instance, I don't care if I can't insert code in >>the middle of xhtml pages. If I have to generate everything from Haskell >>code, I would probably like it. Also, CGI can be a choice). But I need >>reasonable efficiency and to be able to find someone to host my site. >> What solutions do you suggest me? >> >> Thanks, >> Maurício _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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For haskell-fastcgi, my configure fails with
cannot satisfy dependency cgi-any Google does not turn up any useful results for this. Which package will fix this dependency? I thought I just installed fastcgi from source but I'm not sure where it gets looked for by haskell-fastcgi... Thanks Jared. -- http://www.updike.org/~jared/ reverse ")-:" _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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On 1/23/06, Jared Updike <[hidden email]> wrote:
> For haskell-fastcgi, my configure fails with > > cannot satisfy dependency cgi-any > > Google does not turn up any useful results for this. Which package > will fix this dependency? I thought I just installed fastcgi from > source but I'm not sure where it gets looked for by haskell-fastcgi... >From the README: Requirements for building: - The cgi package from: http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~bringert/darcs/haskell-cgi/ -- Friendly, Lemmih _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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hsp can be run in two different modes. Running the full-blown version
with runtime system will probably be hard on a professional site, you would have to convince them to install hsp. But if you can do without the fancier bits, in particular application-scoped data, you can run hsp pages as ordinary cgi scripts. Look in the HSPR.CGI.RunCGI module. /Niklas On 1/21/06, Maurício <[hidden email]> wrote: > They both look cool. Do you think I'll be able to find someone to > host professional sites using those libraries? > > [....], > Maurício > > Sebastian Sylvan wrote: > > On 1/21/06, Maurício <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Can I use Haskell to do what people do with, say, PHP? More and more > >>I have the need for that, and I've been looking into Ruby on Rails. Do > >>you thing Haskell could be a choice? Of course, I don't need something > >>exactly like PHP (for instance, I don't care if I can't insert code in > >>the middle of xhtml pages. If I have to generate everything from Haskell > >>code, I would probably like it. Also, CGI can be a choice). But I need > >>reasonable efficiency and to be able to find someone to host my site. > >> What solutions do you suggest me? > >> > > > > > > Take a look at WASH and HSP... > > > > http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~thiemann/WASH/ > > http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~d00nibro/hsp/ > > > > -- > > Sebastian Sylvan > > +46(0)736-818655 > > UIN: 44640862 > > _______________________________________________ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > [hidden email] > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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I think it would be interesting to ask some professional site to
install hsp, before I go to the cgi solution. If I want to do that, what should I ask them to install to get a full working environment, with access to SQL and other stuff? Maurício Niklas Broberg wrote: > hsp can be run in two different modes. Running the full-blown version > with runtime system will probably be hard on a professional site, you > would have to convince them to install hsp. But if you can do without > the fancier bits, in particular application-scoped data, you can run > hsp pages as ordinary cgi scripts. Look in the HSPR.CGI.RunCGI module. > > /Niklas > > On 1/21/06, Maurício <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> They both look cool. Do you think I'll be able to find someone to >>host professional sites using those libraries? >> >> [....], >> Maurício >> >>Sebastian Sylvan wrote: >> >>>On 1/21/06, Maurício <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Can I use Haskell to do what people do with, say, PHP? More and more >>>>I have the need for that, and I've been looking into Ruby on Rails. Do >>>>you thing Haskell could be a choice? Of course, I don't need something >>>>exactly like PHP (for instance, I don't care if I can't insert code in >>>>the middle of xhtml pages. If I have to generate everything from Haskell >>>>code, I would probably like it. Also, CGI can be a choice). But I need >>>>reasonable efficiency and to be able to find someone to host my site. >>>> What solutions do you suggest me? >>>> >>> >>> >>>Take a look at WASH and HSP... >>> >>>http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~thiemann/WASH/ >>>http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~d00nibro/hsp/ >>> >>>-- >>>Sebastian Sylvan >>>+46(0)736-818655 >>>UIN: 44640862 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Haskell-Cafe mailing list >>[hidden email] >>http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe >> _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Now that would be a treat. :-)
To get it working properly you would first of all need ghc. The you would need packages hsp with dependencies (haskell-src-exts, harp, trhsx) and hspr with dependencies (hs-plugins). To get the SQL parts you probably want to have haskelldb. I am in the process of making hsp installation easier, there are still a bunch of rough edges here and there. You can contact me if you want to try installing, or if you find someone who would be willing to try. :-) /Niklas On 1/23/06, Maurício <[hidden email]> wrote: > I think it would be interesting to ask some professional site to > install hsp, before I go to the cgi solution. If I want to do that, what > should I ask them to install to get a full working environment, with > access to SQL and other stuff? > > Maurício > > Niklas Broberg wrote: > > hsp can be run in two different modes. Running the full-blown version > > with runtime system will probably be hard on a professional site, you > > would have to convince them to install hsp. But if you can do without > > the fancier bits, in particular application-scoped data, you can run > > hsp pages as ordinary cgi scripts. Look in the HSPR.CGI.RunCGI module. > > > > /Niklas Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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I think the easiest way to achieve that would be to do as Thomas Davie
suggested earlier and get a virtual server where you can install whatever you want. /Björn Maurício wrote: > I think it would be interesting to ask some professional site to > install hsp, before I go to the cgi solution. If I want to do that, what > should I ask them to install to get a full working environment, with > access to SQL and other stuff? > > Maurício > > Niklas Broberg wrote: > >> hsp can be run in two different modes. Running the full-blown version >> with runtime system will probably be hard on a professional site, you >> would have to convince them to install hsp. But if you can do without >> the fancier bits, in particular application-scoped data, you can run >> hsp pages as ordinary cgi scripts. Look in the HSPR.CGI.RunCGI module. >> >> /Niklas >> >> On 1/21/06, Maurício <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> They both look cool. Do you think I'll be able to find someone to >>> host professional sites using those libraries? >>> >>> [....], >>> Maurício >>> >>> Sebastian Sylvan wrote: >>> >>>> On 1/21/06, Maurício <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Can I use Haskell to do what people do with, say, PHP? More and more >>>>> I have the need for that, and I've been looking into Ruby on Rails. Do >>>>> you thing Haskell could be a choice? Of course, I don't need something >>>>> exactly like PHP (for instance, I don't care if I can't insert code in >>>>> the middle of xhtml pages. If I have to generate everything from >>>>> Haskell >>>>> code, I would probably like it. Also, CGI can be a choice). But I need >>>>> reasonable efficiency and to be able to find someone to host my site. >>>>> What solutions do you suggest me? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Take a look at WASH and HSP... >>>> >>>> http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~thiemann/WASH/ >>>> http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~d00nibro/hsp/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sebastian Sylvan >>>> +46(0)736-818655 >>>> UIN: 44640862 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Haskell-Cafe mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > [hidden email] > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006, Sebastian Sylvan wrote: > Take a look at WASH and HSP... > > http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~thiemann/WASH/ > http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~d00nibro/hsp/ I can't find this one on haskell.org/libraries/ _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list [hidden email] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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